Grande Riviere de Nord (North)
Participants:
1 Dorestin Jude: G; 53; 5 children rheto; agriculture technician; 20 in kop
2 Jardis Rosena: F; 58; 4 children 3 segonde guard yard; 14 in kop
3 Saintis Alberte: F; 51; 3 children 6e AF seller; 20 in kop
4 Marcelus Noel: G; 60; 2 children 6e AF farmer; 31 in kop
5 Leon Syrilien: G; 62; 2 children 6e AF; farmer; 31 in kop
6 Baptiste Julmiste: G; 47; 3 children; 9e AF guard yard; 30 in kop
7 Garcon Suzette: F; 67; 6 children; 6e AF; farmer; 31 in kop
8 Mervelus Ervenson: G ; 58; 5 children; 5e AF; farmer; 15 in kop
9 Rene Saint Juste: G; 30; no children ; rheto; farmer; 12 in cooperative
10 Eugene Anold :G ; 79; 6 children; 7e AF; farmer; 30 in kop
We Are in Grande riviere du Nord, Isn’t true ?
‘’ Yes’’
Ok, we are here, for a research we do for CRS about cocoa, we know that CRS has a project( noise of chair) we are doing now,perhaps did not reach the farmers directly like they wanted it,but it can not also happen without a data collection throughout cocoa,who has a link to the management of us as organisation or institution,then that’s why we herejust to get information, look for those datas. Then all the informations that we got from you, will be part of information that we are going to complete to introduce a report ,which has all your complaints, which has all informations, everything that you have about cocoa.Then we are going to start with interviews,we will ask you some questions and all of you will have the possibility to share their own opinions about all of them,it’s for that we ask you to be in short, to be direcly. Even do someone is talking, just let him free to share everything he wants to talk about then you just show your number for expressing what you think.__ok that’s that__Ok ? That means for a question everybody can answer, each person is going to share according to you, ok ? you will tell something before ? __ No__
We can start ?
We can start__ Ok agree ( noise moto happening)
Why cocoa is good?
(Dorestin Jude, Man, 53 Years old, 5 children, agriculture technician) : For health,cocoa is good for the brain,(noisy) for the environment, cocoa protect the earth and the environment, then the cocoa is also good to give opportunities to the farmers to make more money.
# 4 : ( Marcelus Noel,Man, 60 years old, 2 children, farmer) Cocoa is good, it gives us profite, it hepls us to make more money and it’s one of the product that we have to support peasant. ( lots of noisy)
# 6 : ( Baptiste Julmiste, Mane, 47 years old, 3 children, agriculture technician) Just to keep going what the brother came to say, cocoa in itselft is a naturel ressource for us the farmers, it helps us with school,it helps us with sickness, it helps us in feeding, and the nit helps us in death case.
Does no one else?
To keep moving
#5: ( Leon, Syrilien, Man, 62 years old, 2 children, farmer) just to keep going with the cocoa’s affairs,it has such importance, many peasant, lot of farmers will keep going plainting it because it has a lot of money, it helps us with student, it helps us to progress, it can, it feeds, they make dous with it, we make candy with it, you make chocolate with it and we also make all of good other things with it, that help us to make more profite,that why we keep growing cocoa so that we can have more money.
#2: ( Jardis Rosena, Woman, 58 years old, 4 children , Guard yard ) Then I can also say, that cocoa is something that will never stop to provide, we can say it provides, every seasons but there is some place, every three months we see the cocoa provides more if there is no sun because when the sun rises on them it doesn’t provide but when the sun doesn’t rise on it, it provides more, when someone goes to cocoa tree you can 2 pounds, 3 pounds,you can have money to feed the children.
Do you make medication with cocoa?
Yes, yes we make medication with cocoa
What kind of medication?
# 2: ( Jardis Rosena, Woman, 58 years old, 4 children, guard yard) Because when people have ehh ehh,ehh ehh how do they say that __beast__ ( someone laughs) they use cocoa, and then there is disease people can have, when you get constipate ehh ehh, they use ehh they use to take the cocoa,and then they beat it,la jonis, they also use it to for la jonis, someone just take the cocoa and then they break a cocoa, sometimes they can suck the cocoa,to drink eh eh the cocoa water
#1: (Dorestin Jude, Man 53 years old, 5 children, agriculture technician) The cocoa you can make grease , whatever the person has a belt problem,rhumatis, then with the cocoa grease, it helps you to have more energy__ be strong_.
#6 : ( Baptiste Julmiste,Gason, 47 ane, 3 timoun, teknisyen agwonom) The cocoa is a medicine for us, when you have, a sickness called kolo,kole, kolorin, when you have it when you take the cocoa, you break it, you put white sugar or crème sugar on it and then to mix it, you suck it then quckly heal
#7: (Garcon Suzette, Woman, 67 years old, 6 children, farmer) Me?__ Will you say someting?__ ( Clean throat) Will you say something?__If i have to say something?__ No__Then ok.
# 8 : ( Mervelus Ervenson,Man, 58 years old, 5 children, farmer) When you are watching the cocoa affairs, for us,( we don’t have other ressource that help more, it’s the cocoa), that help us with everything, we don’t have other support it’s like when we have the cocoa crops , we already know that we are going to do such a thing, children will go to school, we are going to do other thing,it’s all for us, it’s there for our sickness, it representes everything for us.
Ok.
How long have been growing cocoa in Grand Rivye area?
Public: There is a long time__A long time ago (people talk each other)
# 5: ( Leon, Syrilien, Gason, 62 ane, 2 timoun, kiltivate) Absolutely cocoa for Grand Rivye du no, there is a long time ago,here is the time we as a cooperative really started to take the cocoa,give the cocoa value since 1982. After diagnose with a group of foreignes’’MEDA’’they come to do e babababla, they will notice that Grand Rivye du no has reputation for cocoa since that time this cooperative started to take this production and give value. Nowadays it becomes such a big thing for them, will become a patrimony for Haiti country.
How many type of cocoa that you have?
( noisy)
# 1: (Dorestin Jude, Man, 53 years old, 5 children, agriculture technician) We have three(3) types for Grand Rivye, Criollo, Forestero e Trinitario.
How long did you know that there are three types?
After a diagnose by a group of technician coming from ehhh Dominican Republic
What did you know before that?
We didn’t know, we have only ehhh, I had only euhhh more trinitario with criollo ( people voice)
#6: ( Baptiste Julmiste,Man, 47 years old, 3 children, agricultura technician) Yes, according to the value one of those 3 qualities of cocoa…
What are those 3?
…. Crilollo, Trinitario then Forastero. According the value of criollo, itself, now ourself in cooparatives, we have information base on how to recognize the criollo, that why when we are doing pepinye, it’s specially the criollo that we almost do pepinye with it.
Why?
So, because of it, according to a study that white people do, the criollo more valuable. Blablabla talking more
I am going to interrupt you (lot of people are talking)
(participant voice that we do not identify) Criollo has more valuable, and they buy it from other country, interesting to buy it because it costing_ I am coming_(and for planting,what technician in fermentation,it ferment more,more fast), other cocoa like trinitario, forestero, you can take 5 days, 4 days, 5 days( phone is ringing)(to ferment but,) it takes 3 days in itself for more 4 days. 4 days then we can have more money and all the country that I visit, last time I was in france, all countries are asking for criollo cocoa. Do not you have cocoa criollo, where is criollo, they are asking for it, why? It also a quality that does n’t scared of sickness. ( chair noise)
# 10: (Eugene Arnold, Man, 79 years old, 6 children, farmer) From where the technicians are talking about cocoa, it’s something that can be good, everywhere cocoa is the best, even if you hear about a lot of quality_talk louder_( a lot of, a lot of noisy)_ you can talk_ according to the cooperative du no,the cocoa could be a good thing, then I can tell you it succed and they appreciate it everywhere, everywhere. Lot of noisy
# 4: (Marcelus Noel, Man, 60 years old, 2 children, farmer) The cocoa is so important, even do you will get_chair noisy_you take the cocoa in a place you are working, you scratch it then you apply on bleeding,it allow it to dry. (noisy)
Here is the month that we use to harvest cocoa?
So
# 4: ( Marcelus Noel,Man, 60 years old, 2 children, farmer) We harvest cocoa,in 2 seasons, november december it’s the little periode,and then you will have to harvest in big season, starting from march__march__ April that’s mean we are in big season, it says cocoa , june also (young children are crying)
Ok
# 5 : ( Leon, Syrilien, Gason, 62 ane, 2 timoun, kiltivate) Then, yes to the truth as the man says that, one of them says it is from september, october, november december ( children are crying) we are in a big season cocoa, When we are in the actual period now, there is a lot of cocoa, that is because sun was risen, the sun was the cause of the lack of providing, but now when it is raining there is a lot place where cocoa is providing , when february is starting , march and april thre is big harvest of cocoa , at this time all the peasants , all the farmers feel happy because they can make money, because they have cocoa and it provides, because it is a wealth for all the farmers. That’s an heritage.
(lot of noise)
Like producer in cocoa season, in harvest season how (children crying, motorcycle noise) do you spend your day, how would you explain your day during a cocoa harvest, how is everything ?
# 4 (Marcelus Noel M 60 years, 2 children, farmer) So, in a crops of cocoa that is cost a lot, for example when you are paying a day you pay 150 gourdes, to pay the farmer to sell him a day. There is some many other way you can pay until 200 gourdes. And we pay only 200 gourdes , and we give lunch to the farmer, that could cost at least 300 gourdes for spending the whole day.
We will talk one by one,one by one…respect,respect. You done? Number,you have something to say.
# 3: (Saintis Alberte, woman, 51 years old, 3 children,seller) what I said before the opening,we’re saying when we are talking,we must talk in a direct way on the point,don’t go around.
Number 10 have you got something to say about cocoa…I almost don’t say anything.Ok!
What seems to be more difficult for you about euhh cocoa affairs,in the production,what seems difficult ?
# 4 : ( Marcelus Noel,man, 60 years, 2 children,farmer) Sakwhat seem more difficult for us is about the hard life,the way that the cocoa should be treated,farmers don’t have enough (clean throat) euhh money to support us with the cocoa because there are several farmers in the cooperatives,they have skills,it’s easy for them to manage the cocoa but,all the farmers don’t earn that means the cooperative doesn’t have enough money to make kind of training for everybody could earn and allow to the cocoa (motto noise) blabla bla it’s a financial problem
# 6: ( Baptiste Julmiste,man, 47 years, 3 children,agriculture technician) then another difficult thing for us,cocoa garden is far,when we have to do transportation for the cocoa,it’s the head,we oblige to support it on our head to go down with it because it is our source,we oblige but it makes us so tired
# 8: ( Mervelus Ervenson,man, 58 years, 5 children, farmer) Mostly you can be outside,there is a time to get in,to come and give the cocoa because of a lack of possibility,sometimes we walk,where the cocoa is,you will willl be oblige to pay a motocycle to come,that can make us late,sometimes when people come,man and woman who buying cocoa,they can come from their house…because of a lack of possibility to make the production happen
# 6 ( Baptiste Julmiste,Man, 47 years, 3 children,agriculture technician) : yes,we’ll keep going,we wondering that if there is a way to help us either a donkey or an horse that can relief us because the gardens are really far to go down with the product
We will sell cocoa a year then we will buy a donkey…( people are laughing J J J)
What seems to be difficult for us as men that we do then you think that women cannot do ?
So, there is a thing that men do .
# 5 ( Leon, Syrilien, M, 62 years, 2 Children, farmer) : When you have to clean the cocoa, prepare and put the cocoa in a clean way, that is in the mountain very far, women cannot do it. Sometimes when you have to clean the cocoa, you would have to climb the cocoa tree just to clean it. Women cannot do it, which is men to do it, there is sometimes gardens are full of wasps, there is weed, less possibility to take care of the cocoa. The reason why the cocoa do not clean is beause women cannot go in this kind of garden, if the garden was clean and there is possibility, money to take care of the cocoa, make clean the cocoa, to cleaned well the cocoa, so that should be…
#6 (Baptiste Julmiste, M, 47 years, 3 children, technician agronomist ) : So, that is exactly the same i was about to say, i do not need to go on it anymore. Bon se menm sa m ta pral di, m pa bezwen pase ladan l anko.
And what is the most easy women can do then, man cannot, what women can do man cannot ? E kisa ki pi fasil ke yon fi kap fe epi gason limenm li paka fe , sa ke fi kap fe gason pa kapab fe?
# 3 (Saintis Alberte, F, 51 years, 3 children, sales women): We break the cocoa, we bring it it to sale.
Men cannot do that ?
# 7 (Garcon Suzette, F, 67 years, 6 Children, farmer) : So for that, there is nothing women can do men cannot, the opposit when men met girls in a high mountain, the road is difficult men take the cocoa and put it in the plane for the girls.
(Range of people are talking at the same time.)
#2 ( Jardis Rosena, F, 58 years, 4 children, the guard yard) : So, me as girl, i believe thatis only that i say, i could not do in that is clean it_the cleaning_ because there is some branches when they are in bad position, these things women cannot go, to go on these things but many girls climb tree than man (people laughing) and about cut off weeds, you can hear, you can hear complaints hmm, some of the girls cut off weds too_ a lot_ some of the girls cut off weeds too, then they will not say everything but some of the girls knows what cut off weeds mean, they will not be afraid of wasps, they will not be afraid of snake , they are not be afraid of nothing to cut off weds.
# 5 (Leon, Syrilien, M, 62 years, 2 children, farmer ) : Better than girls talkin about themselves, because I am not going to charge them like a horse (people which is laughing)
# 4: (Marcelus Noel, M 60 years, 2 children farmer) So, what we would like as farmer is the ngo’s help us find support of technicians, help us find finance, find some technicians which pemit us finding the best treatment for the cocoa and produce more.
# 9 (Rene St Juste, M, 30 ane, 0 children, farmer) (long silent) I do not say, women can do everything, one thing there is some isolate branch women cannot go on, but after that i see all that men can do, women can do it in the garden too.
Ok, Thank you.
After picking the cocoa, now what are we doing, can you explain me the process, so you picking cocoa and after?
# 6 ( Baptiste Julmiste, M, 47 years, 3 children, technician agronomist: After picking the cocoa, we assembly but before we select all that rats eats, all (sound of music) what birds dig we put them a side, when we are finish we take a piece of Wood and break the cocoa, since when we break the cocoa all that is too mature that shake which inside of the cover, we do not put which is shake in it, we put them apart and when we break the cocoa we put it in a clean sac and we press it a little until it gives some juice and after that we bring it at the cooperative times, the cooperative measure it for us.
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, F, 58 years, 4 children, the guard yard): Then, i am the master…
# 7 (Garcon Suzette, F, 67 years, 6 children, farmer: Then, me i am an old people, i do not have husband, when i am going to the garden i cut off some weed like that but in the mountain i cannot do nothing in it.
# 8 (Mervelus Ervenson, M, 58 ane, 5 children, farmer) : When we are looking at, when we are talking about the production of the cocoa, for us even you hear we have 50 children or ten, even the children finish with the secondary study, the terminal or university it is because of the cocoa, but that what is happen when we cannnot have more advantage in the cocoa, we would have more advantage, some times we spend too much for us which have plantation and sometimes weeds waste them at the bottom, the amount we did have to collect we do not have it because of possibility, so how could you help us in that situation
Is that a question, we ask you a question you ask a question too (laughing) we will back on that.
No, we are telling you the same thing, we cannot answer this question, we are not there to do nothing and we cannot do nothing for you in cocoa__thank you__ here the best we can do for you is to give the possibility to tell everything you think, all that you need, all that you would need and these data will use to make a report in good way which permit CRS having a good decision with the community in the cooperative. __ Thank you__.
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, M, 53 ane, 5 children, technician agronomist): The first thing i am telling you, you never tell us what CRS mean.
I tell that already you did shake your head when i did tell that, when i was talking about that, i did refer to ADRA that is developmental agency in the adventist church, CRS is «Catholic Relief service»
After that…
But who sells cocoa the most, women or men?
Public : Both of them
One by one
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, M, 53 years, 5 children, technician agronomist) : Both of them !
# 2 ( Jardis Rosena, F, 58 ane, 4 children, Jeran) : Neither men nor women, because women have his personal effects to take care and men have his personal effects to take care too.
1 (Dorestin Jude, M, 53 years, 5 children, technician agronomist): You see right now, men do not let women sells cocoa anymore (laughing), what is the thing, for us which produce ferment cocoa prepare a cocoa, like you see this cocoa in the sun, i look up, i did go to Cormier last week all the sellers of cocoa was men, only if i have seen 2 women, what words i heard a man says, i heard a man talking, i said oh ! so gentleman since the morning i see you selling cocoa i do not even see a women, i do not even see a women yet, he says my dear when women sells cocoa what they gives you you might take it (laughing) what they gives you, what do you say, do you accept but now my friend when we are coming there, we bring, we picked it in the street, we come with it there, we press our thing, we see the money, now this is our responsability to give to the women (laughing) but they know how much is the money
How do you sell it ?
Grinded
So, how do you sell it, the way I explained the thing the blablabla, they make the sort out since the field, some of the people are well informed they prepare the product since the field, tht is mean he press it with a very clean sac, he press the cocoa, he remove the sour water, they remove te sweet juice__with what ?__ with a very clean sac__How do they call this operaation?__euhhh__is there a name for this operation ? Then, it is a training by the cooperative__No, I would like to know if remove water in the cocoa operation has a name__so we decrease water…__decrease, decreasing the water. Because we do not have training, where, for not wasting water, we wasting water, because there is somewhere they make sevinetal to prepare some kind of things but we do not have this training, but we go foward, we are looking for it.
When you finally press the cocoa, you remove the water, they come with it in a very clean bucket or in a vase, Then the responsible come only and mix the cocoa, he looks at, he supervise it, he looks at if this cocoa require to measure, to ferment. Once the person who knows or the specialist comes, he says this cocoa is good, it is to measure, measure it in a bottle bucket, you know how many pounds its make, a measure in a bottle bucket, a measure that is, a little bucket, a little bottle bucket that is a little bottle bucket of butter that measure 5 pounds, and then when it is the amount it makes, they pay him his money, he goes and then the technician is putting it in a box and when i take a look (motorcycle sound) i do not see nothing, nothing, that is a good thing, a good rule, we realize that everything is starting to be very well, it is as well as possible and it is not show off, it is one of the place that provide the best product, good fermented product is there at grande riviere du nord.
# 4 ( Marcelus Noel, M 60 ane, 2 children, farmer) : So, to prepare the cocoa also, to use the principles formula of preparation, if this person sniff tabacco, he cannot be a part of it, if this person is an alchoolic he cannot be a part of it, if this person is also like devil stuff, smelling bath that they using, he cannot also be a part of it, if this person has this type of perfum he do not have to be a part of the cocoa production, if this person has « florida » which is a type of perfum, he does not have to participate in the cocoa production, That is mean cocoa should be treated cleanly and be delevering cleanly.
What seems to be the problem?
And then, is because he could infect the cocoa, according when they analyse those things, for the foreigners those are not good quality, that is mean the product is affected, the cocoa is affeted.
It is to say when they examinate the cocoa, the foreigners will not accept the infected product, as haitian we eat everything. The foreigners, whatever they buy from you, in your country, to make you earn money, for your pleasure, he will not really interest of your product, I notice that in other country.
As women, you know that women is planting cocoa, what is the most difficult for you ? __When we are…__ The question is to women and men ?
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, M, 60 years, 2 children, farmer): For the farmers, what is the most difficult__not for all the farmers, but for the women__it is according to distance, ah ok !
Let the women answer__women goes__you can answer but, what is the most difficult while women are working, there is something that is the most difficult for them.
Then, what is the most difficult for the women, even there are some women which always try to cut off weeds, but cut off weeds is not women job, climb cocoa tree is not for women, you understand plus, transporting the cocoa, there is lots of cocoa, the charge is not for the women, women can pick up a small part of cocoa, not a big part, it is not for women. Women might have the possibility to pick up the cocoa in the zone where they go.
In those 3 things that you said, if you would classify which one would you say that is the most difficult for women__example__if you would choose one.
What about the world of cocoa__what would be the most difficult for women in the cocoa affairs?
Dear, clean the cocoa__climb the cocoa tree
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, M, 47 years, 3 children, technician agronomist: You said during women are planting cocoa, was not it ?__No, in the cocoa production what is the most difficult for women to do, say it exactly.
(people are talking)
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, F, 58 years, 4 childrem, the guard yard) : Really, not all the women could climb a cocoa tree__when the product is mature we have to climb the cocoa tree, for women to pick the cocoa__is the most difficult for women ? When the cocoa needs to be clean, I would like to ask if there are some material especially for women, when they need the cocoa, they will not need men to pick the cocoa (laughing), unless they have a long stick.
Now we receive a tools__I do not have__ to pick the cocoa. Once women know how to use the tools we have now to pick the cocoa, it is more easy for women to pick the cocoa with the tools when they have it. When you just apply the tools the cocoa just fall down. But when you use a long stick it blaabla.
What about men, what is more difficult for them while their are providing the cocoa. Tell exactly what is the more difficult?
Moment (silent)
# 6 ( Baptiste Julmiste, M, 47 Years, 3 chidren: __ Someone else, what is more difficult for men?__then, the more difficult for men is to cut off cocoa, clean the cocoa, (motorcycle sound).
__To clean it is not the moment to tell (people are talking
Does the cocoa grow up by itself or do they plant them?
We plant
# 5: (Leon, Syrilien, M, 62 years, 2 children, farmer) We plant more, __plant__ old plants are falling during the young is planting.
You can teach us the planting process ?
I am coming with it for you.
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, M, 53 years, 5 children, technician agronomist): Ok, back in the days I used too see how my father plant cocoa, its not the same, it is different about as technician how I plant cocoa, my father used to plant cocoa next the bananas tree, cocoa grow up, provide quickly and it’s true and good. But today we receive another training that show us how to plant cocoa. If now you have acre of earth, an acre or 2 acres of earth to plant cocoa on it. And then, you can plant 3 by 3 meters, that is mean 3 meters by 3 meters. At that time the cocoa, when it’s from next to the seeds, the cocoa last one week without being supervising.
And after the next week you plant it, you dig a hole one feet, squarre squarre, the deep is also one feet, and then you put, you cut the plastic at the bottom, but do not forget you removed it on the top and put it a side, it might be face to the sun, there are many types of sickness that are already disappear because of the sun, at the deep you put again the earth a side, now you will go to put the small tree in the hole, you cut the plastic of the small tree at the bottom, you make a…only you put the small tree lightly, when you put the small tree in the hole, you have to avoid making what we call « pouritu kolet », you take first the providing land that you did put a side, the one that was face the sun and you put it in the hole__the first or the second ?_
The first, and then if you want you can put a few fertilizer , lightly then you put the second, but which is planting the small tree, at exactly where the small tree was in the seed, in the plastic, it’s in that position you have to apply the land, specially do not forget, that is a lesson for you, because most of people plant cocoa very bad, and then you left a little space for the rain, or when there is a providing land from the mountain join to the small tree and now it’s not going to cause damage, otherwise, it’s a new fertilizer for the seed or the small tree, when water falls into the small plant, get into the land, it’s not going to be a ravine or an erosion and at this time all plants will waste, yours only will stay alive.
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, M, 47 years, 3 children, technician agronomist: To carry on the process, when you plant cocoa, the seed of cocoa at the bottom of banana and when it is nursery tree you make, that is mean now you have 2 differents things. First when you select the seed you think that you plant a good seed and this seed might be good. When you select the seed you take, you take out the head, the seeds in the head of the cover are not good, all the seeds at the bottom of the cover are not good than the seed in the middle you have to take.
Posting the process, when you are planting cocoa at the bottom of banana specially when you do nursery, it means that you do two differents thing. Firstly,when you select the seeds you plant a good seed,this,suppose to be good..and then,when you finish to select the seed,the head of it is not good Take a new, top, seeds of which are at the top pods are good seeds in the middle,you have to take them and make that you sure you plant a good seed .__ ya, ya__ that’s that
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): Also when you are going to plant or preparation of seedlings, seeds of cocoa,a part of it you better wash this cocoa, you take out the sugar on it, to allow that cocoa after you finish to wash it, or you make a preparation you put it in ‘’ jemwa’’, either you cover it with some little type of stick, when you finish to cut the hood, you seek a Bag Burlap, or pay the alleged begun to decompose or you measure a little hot and normally ,you measure seeds of cocoa on it,it just because when you put it after 3 days, you will water then cocoas will grow,push stems I mean it called jemwa And you put cocoa in jemwa upward push stem to find ways to know which way you will measure it in put it on a plastic bag.A half inch so that you must not measure it overly deep if it is overly deep in the plastic bag then,those cocoa cannot probably grow up,it has a way to make it comfortable,so that those cocoa tree can grow up.
(People are talking lourder)
To add in what my neighboors just came to say, even when little sleep, prepare this arena, we seek dry stoo lof cow, we dump it, We pasey We get good hot, we mix with warm then we are going to measure ehhh a nursery, this we will take it out from the jemwa in put it in a plastic bag ,when that happen,we do not, then it became a natural products, home products, in which cocoa progresses more, developed more .
During and at the moment ti domi labor cocoa, how can you compare our day of work with old people work?
So!
# 5(Leon, Syrilien, Male, 62 years, 2 children, farmers): We make your pan with a strategy that old people used to measure and go to the bottom of a banana tree_ like this like that_then,it develops, he rose and grow up, We prepared the cocoa,when we break cocoa, like … just told we take out Neither the head,nor the rear,the middle seed,we take it we measure it and put it in a bucket of water, you wash it, you wash it and scrub it (noise of chair), We scrub it before we put in a jemwa We We We weighed it, we take out the water in it then measure it in put it in jemwa…number 4.. . When he started pushing up …
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): So, For the cocoa even when you plant the small cocoa tree for example,__compare,compare_if little sleep compare old farmers,who planted cocoa tree, it grow up for itself because they planted without hot techniques, so they even have information, they could plant it,we,as men who have technical training, when we planted a cocoa, a cocoa while developing ever, the system asking for is developing a 4 branches, because when the small cocoa is starting to develop, it reaches an age, or need some type of small tools to allow that, you clean small sweeps branches,so that cocoa trees grow up, a 4 branches, your son
The way that those cocoa tree can breath well , To receive regular time, then cocoa must begin to provide fruit from the body, from the body of the cocoa, For the cocoa started to measure. That means if it receives the steps normally, cocoa treestart to give pods from under till it just reached the top. Dear,if only you don’t have opportunity,what called werewolf branch so that they can not start by riding on it, when he went deep to climb a top of the cocoa tree,it allows that coverage of the above, it provides shadow, this means that the cocoa skin does not get heat, they said « the sev » is unable to arise, said that this treatment, new technicians They even making that, cocoa Providing better products.
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): (rushing car) And I would also say is a production from small tree in preparation, it needs a slave because is not a small tree that you are going to pray and abandon and then, you turn oyur back to it,that never pray better,not! You have to be constantly the slave of it y better, not! If ever you do not water it,if you do not water it,eh eh It will be bad, water is necessary,even when the small trees would supposedly good, or take it,plant the small tree again, if the sun hit it,you will not need water it so that the small tree,the small tree could grow up because if there is no water,it will not grow, it is something that requires slaves a lot.
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists): Yes,it is noticeably different from the past and presently,because old people if they have a make it hot that can take a hundred of cocoa tree,take and make two or 300 tree,men nowadays,even if we have a make it hot, We identified duration of a hundred cocoa tree it can take and nap planting techniques and what we want to plant is it ever take.
(A noise hits)
We all here is in.wiktionary.org of people who produce cocoa _ yes_ Do we love ourselves because we like kaka .. We proud of ourselves because little nap products cocoa?
Public: Yes
Why?
Why, it is because cocoa is all for us, all of the life___it is our wealth (noise hit and phone ringing)
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): Because with the cocoa we can do many things with the cocoa when we look at cocoa, is not only gotten a sold cocoa seeds, We found cocoa and we make some transformation also,it allows us to drink good chocolate,and they said that chocolate is really good for the intellect, when children __ For the brain__ go to school it is good for the brain and when you make a transformation eh, you can make dous, you can do like cocoa and give them,they are EXTREMELY good.that is why our cocoa, a great, great, great, great production for us the peasants.
Well I ..
# 5 (Leon, Syrilien, Male, 62 years, 2 children, farmers): I would say after God, cocoa is life for us the farmers
Ok!
Hum hum (clean throat)
And children, what about children, HM what they do?
Our children? __ Yes, what they do, what they do in the plantation, do Children are important,tell us what children do?
# 9 (Rene St Juste, Male, 30 Years, 0 children, farmers): Alright! Children are vital in a garden because when adults are harvesting a cocoa, we know they help harvesting and sometimes we help to gather cocoa, sometimes adults while performing many new works for the cocoa tree We help adults being in this work they do in the garden.
# 3 (Saintis Alberta, Female, 51 years, 3 children, komesant): Children Love to sell cocoa,all of them have sun burn and said they will take a some little vase so that jackson can sell.
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): What i what to chain is about women affairs, Picking cocoa , where neighbors made intervention on tools affairs ,tools that we have,they are not enough to enable all farmers harvesting cocoas because, when harvesting cocoas, they picked them very bad sometimes when they picked cocoa, tearing cocoa,pulled the cocoa,tearing them ehh that why when,they tear cocoa, cocoa itself could become problems, the problem is because the coco ais in the pods, where they take out the pods, the clamped when you tear it, where it should push the « sev » helps it unable to push « sev », It Came become a wound in a cocoa body, that means for us, if there is no or do not have enough tools in which to allow for planting or using a them,allow to the cocoa It would ehhh, I do not know how you ever make them Well ….
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): Yes, and I can complete also to tell them when cocoa is flourishing,somethimes wnen cocoa is providing,when it flourish,in.wiktionary.org people climb cocoa tree, and All Clubs who won the branches of cocoa tree,then your feet make all of them fall down, it makes a product you lose and that is why if there is material so that could be more harvesting en.wiktionary.org by man does not climb cocoa, To lose Clubs production fell.
# 9 (Rene St Juste, Male, 30 Years, 0 children, farmers):What I observe in when you are making it _for the kids, do not forget that_cocoas,yes, when children are fairy Picking cocoa,sometimes , They picked Cacao like this,like that, they can tear cocoa..ehhh the pods, Inthe body of the tree _ _ yes, the New case, tearing the body of the cocoa tree which is not good for a cocoa tree because of the same body ..the same place WHERE YOU just harvesting cocoa, it is where he will give a new production,
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists): (noise moto happenig) For Posted process, which not only, a new production,it is also where cocoa are starting to be ill.
Because,if the body tears,it is rainingand it haswater on it, a little water in which the cocoa body is starting to be ill,you could be quite sure and ensure that the Cacao tree will be eliminate anyway.
In cocoa selling affairs,can you..tell me what it is,hum ?
What is the biggest problem that you have with the price in cocoa affairs ?
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists): Ehh, the biggest problem we have in the price affairs, such a product so, we should set the price__ see, but that are them__ who will give you the price, giving you a serious, big problems, big problems and upset us as we may have enjoyed, we are unable to benefit as planting (0:46:32) Cacao, is what gives us problems.
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): For the price, as if I should tell you, we have the product, they buy it, they take it from us, given what they want because that prevent you, you are told to buy it, they give you time but you do not know the price Strictly cocoa sounds you listen to something sadly saw things cost when you sell a bunch of bananas you sell it happens you sold 200 gourdes, or sell it to 300 gourdes at your fairy price, but when you bring the pound Cocoa, the person comes and tells me give you 25 gourdes, I give you 10 goudes but you are unable to know if 100 gourdes, if t is 150 gourdes for the pounds Cacao cost.
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): the problem is in us the farmers, the second thing, the goverment! When the government takes its job over but now is the organizations fighting for Cacao has value in other countries, is the only cocoa yes we have as reference_ as ressources_ we cooperate we fight we make good products but there are also going to have, in the sand, in the yard, as if sound your products have ASSOCIATED value, but the day we Haitian farmers we recognize us, we will give our product value when other countries need to buy from us as living buyers is flattered to flatter us and we are looking to price by us. Today is moving to lower our cost, is a day we can have to die, is our future to give the price for cocoa.
# 5 (Leon, Syrilien, Male, 62 years, 2 children, farmers): And please, according Cacao we’re talking about it, is not where we should be, everyone should have shoes on our feet, we would be admired woolen hat in ourselves (laughs) but as long as they do what they want and cocoa, has competed in Cacao, a part will take it but, if we could say that Cacao has gotten a bit thanks to cooperative, if Cacao became where it is, it would be lower, each week, they lower the price, it was 5, they make it 2 gourdes, they make it 3 gourdes,make it 1 and half gourdes, well thanks to cooperative gotten provide Cacao a reciprocal price and you can sell it a bit, but according Cacao is not how we should be.
Is …
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): So,for the Cacao sale price, we never know the sale price Cacao even, because what they really want to give you,that is what they give you, but it seemed that cooperative , which we found prices that we found in cocoa and I see if, as I see that we have discussed a lot about cocoa, what cocoa does, I see that if we do not have good price of cocoa, it is a waste of time.
Do you love yourself as cocoa producers?
Public: Yes _ you already ask this question__Pharrel we ask this question already (truck noise happening)
Is Cacao is a product that is important for us?
Public: Yes, oh, lot,a lot__ this is ours
It is the most important for us in the area?
(Person talking)
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): even if I speak this way I speak for everyone after we will answer .__ For a long time,cocoa was not there, we had orange, all were talking about orange ‘bonami”and since you heard of orange bonami this is a type of orange very sugared, and not only drinking the juice, even the skin you will eat, nowadays orange__ eliminate__ I do not say completely eliminate, almost eliminate but we have cocoa, as I have said I would start saying you that we started Cacao, with it,I even hope that one day the cocoa will become a national heritage, why? because everyone you see today in grand Riye du no, since you have your small land, it does not have a 3, 4, 5 Cocoa tree in it, this was not valuable, and since this includes you penned his pledge to you, you buy very expensive.
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): Highest resources we have planted is coffee (people talk), coffee was the most admired resource for us in Haiti. Since we do not know what happened, coffee gotten disease falls on it lose coffee, but as God he is God, as he got every thing started, he got everything done, coffee finished, He gives us Cocoa, this mean for us if we had no cocoa in Haiti, the country would look like a desert, it would become a desert.As my friend saidKom orange is really one of that provide but now we started losing orange tree in the country because all oranges tree die if we lose Cocoa consider that we lose all our lives. Cocoa is the most important to us? __ Cacao is more important for us at this time.
You see, excuse me ..
# 10 (Eugene Arnold, Male, 79 years, 6 children, farmers): You see where we are talking here, I can be older than you, all of us here … Cocoa now can tell that is something that could be” buen ” (laughter) but as soon as I was born, Cacao has canceled, all men as they went on their acres of land, all cut Cocoa,it is orange, the banana siginn yam, the yam kwedek, was Laureates, coffee as well, Cacao all cut Cacao’s where they stay as they talk to talk well if not thanks to the cooperative, the guys you hear next purchase, but now has nothing thanks god thanks cooperatives were functioning, we are fun but do not despise anything that we will all benefit because now am we thank God we have Mercy ‘setenta y nueve’ ‘I do not know the century (laughs) I got,do not laugh,you make forget firm, I have 2reto, a nursing philosophy thanks to coffee, bananas, yams sigi, yams and blablabla … Cacao now for us is the first, but me, not the first because recent days, I bought a acre, 400 gourdes in NOVELA plan blablblslalala was a buying, lesivye gotten killed, leaving the death eliminate her …… 56 thousand dollars which was delivered to me? plantain, coffee, and orange that why it is selling for this price, he has money, he has containing all of the fruit and till now, it has my grapefruit, I have breadfruit and coconut trees I have, it has my Cocoa tree , and it has plantain tree etc., I bought it 400 gourdes the acres but last time I sell …, buy it for 56 thousand dollars, everything has is importance, you see woman is something unexplainable (people talk) never say that women are not good,it is us,men who are not good all we had that happened, do not despise it, what comes now,let’s make deal with it.
After these products we have listed here, do not you have other products that you in Grande rivye have?
Pineapple, after Cocoa it’s pineaple_banana also _
After Cacao that give you money, that means after it is pineapple?
Plantains, peanuts, beans
What other products that ..?
# 8 (Mervelus Ervenson, Male, 58 years, 5 children, farmers): plantain, orange …
# 1 you have another (Dorestin Jude, Male thing to say?
(Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists) Peanuts,we do not talk about peanuts that we name over here,what about the big beans we’re not talking __big beans, yeah__ peanuts, beans, corn__ when we are after another to make similar , ok__
And there is another thing that give us,wich is very important, which gives us a lot of money but not everyone can use it, yams Guinea, a yam that sell a lot, sell expensive ah __ yes__ expensive,this yam what has called yams in Guinea
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): There is a product that we used to make,corn, but now we are unable to make corn, because back in the days when someone planted 2 cups of corn you will harvest a barrel__50__ corn,but now if you are planting two cup of corn even for chicken _ not even two cup_ (caller speaking) are unable to work.
# 8 (Mervelus Ervenson, Male, 58 years, 5 children, farmers): Now if I work a lot, but now I see blablabla gotten me almost helpless with him, you plante corn not done corn planting beans and sometimes rainy, you finish to plant beans, rain blew it, easily later by rain, but now the rain not fall, as if things are more and more everything is starting to be done, this one to me we have now, we have as the only hope the cocoa __cocoa__
Hum!
Now let’s talk about a cooperative is not
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How cooperative is an help for us,a planting production and harvest …
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): cooperative itself, after god if it was not there,sometimes cocoa a hot air used to take it, when cooperative was not there it was 25 cents, 75 cent quickly they used to buy the pounds, the first when cocoa sell, Give Them a warm hot ristourn cocoa give it 5 gourdes, Peasants Call « anmwye » so happy hot hot, a hot earned good money, a 81. Now since 81 koopetativ will operate , cocoa SALE SALE 3 gourdes the pounds, it sold 3 gourdes a half, It Expands 5 gourdes, it sold 4 gourdes a half, it sold 7 gourdes, it sold 8 gourdes, cocoa Expands up 25 gourdes inside the cooperative, there is a WHERE leaders of cooperative have RESIDENTS buy cocoa 35 gourdes a fatty cooperative’s. that means if We did not have cooperative,we will not be arrogant to talk about a pounds of cocoa that means , __ pipe cutting We cut pipe courses.
We understand what you say, I want you to tell More, how it helps you ?
How it Help us It is because it search market for us they buy from our people, although forbidden is not in the price and then returns they have a forbidden percentage that we know, we are resigning with what they forbid us,we take it,because that are them who forbid us(laugh)We do not set the price .__ OK!
# 8 (Mervelus Ervenson, Male, 58 years, 5 children, farmers),we, even when the production is From human, when he came he said guy this is what i give to it, people almost come and people told you here is what I give to you,you forced to resign with what they give to you a, you guys,when they give you this hot money, and for all workers working in the floor, workers employed Everything inside, all this is the only condition they get out of it, then you give you that little money sometimes you gotten nearly responsible,the committee an almost do not know what happening, is the only problem we felt in that, we felt that,we felt that they got a little problem to that.
# 5 (Leon, Syrilien, Male, 62 years, 2 children, farmers) __ how the cooperative help you in the production, planting is …
Well, even us when we sell cocoa, we do NOT SOLD cocoa In cooperatives, We filed cocoa, when filing cocoa, give them on the little money the clear price,sell from them so that when cocoa will finish to be prepared,get dried, the cooperative sent SOLD to many places,when the new product will be sell, return them, when that happening,they are ristoun it by them , in this way they need our help as farmers
# 1 __ Pause, pause … you are saying something # 2__ yes!
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, steward):I told them that the cooperative helps us with some training also,because for making,for making eh eh, you make us look at this small tree making,it is not this way en.wiktionary.org you will make someone does nursery, For now you do a nursery, you must have some training you can do a nursery and across many domains also,you must tell us that because we can not know lots of what we call domains( laugh) training on__management, __ still in training, anhh ok! I think it’s something a lot after training an__ approach that they make, they found some institutions currently help us and training that is management, because if there is no management cooperative can not work, ok!
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists: And then the cooperative, it helps us because they Place some organizers To make areas decentralization , wherever we are members of cooperatives, they reunited for a small group, to do training for members.
Many ways that the cooperative help us again?
# 9 (Rene StJuste, Male, 30 Years, 0 children, farmers): the cooperative help us to know how we can make more products, because we have systems of key grafting or To show what to do so that we can have more products, and product can provide more.
Is the cooperative, providing services a the Community a not only with members? __yes_ What services it provides to the Community ?
We can talk about …
# 9 (Rene StJuste, Male, 30 Years, 0 children, farmers): __ talk louder__ piping … find it out a bit, cooperative in that file, which set, for a community to get service . (Silence ‘)
Male What do you think that should be done but has not done yet?
(Voice participants are not identified) What we have in ki cho that must not be a reality, __ little sleep talk about cooperative__ from the cooperatives, in which ki cho can help young people in Neighborhoods, young people with factory that the President that ki cho Expands done for us in the area,that making a market __ Who has done it? __ A President, Mr. President a hot come with__ anh ok__ has gotten to do a market we had an income, either for cho gave to produce for the Haitian government to buy products for purchase nuts For Expands mills to make for them, people after all the little guys we have in the area, become hot, they finished enh How should I say this, they have learned how to do everything, and then everything Net, there is no good … this could help the area
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists : What cooperative la cho For facts, must be made a reality, there are some great producers,who work hard,who have a lot of cocoa even far away should not all members, who prodice, those producers are, cooperatives should have find mules, or quite a few horses.a few donkeys for cho relied producers to goe down with their produce expands In the cooperative.
(Silence) … anymore?
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): the cooperative hitself, what it wanted to do that it unable to do it is ( people so loud) A fund to satisfy new farmers ‘all the point of view ‘… (noise chair, speakers)
Can I speak, give me a word
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): To complete man, , one of big big big issue that we have, entice confused inside cooperative towards our members, the ris a farmer who has a problem either on death or on disease And those He hinges you cho piece, a parcel cho, sometimes it is only he has to live, he will oblige mortgaging it or he is going to sell his wealth to do what they have to do, man we do not have a fund, a fund that willing for that to help our farmers, and that make sometimes lost their advantage SALE cocoa a new, lost many advantages,those are problem that we have actually.
Who can enter the cooperative? __ What kind en.wiktionary.org of people? __ Who Can Enter the cooperative or the requirement for a person en.wiktionary.org Expands member?
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): First condition, Be a productor, second condition your son MUST BE en.wiktionary.org people everyone in the neighborhood a son recognize you A PERSON WHO IS YOURS you ever convicted in any moving acts, which can move any files, and to recognize that your child is also citizens in the area, thus since you register you provided your social circle,succed to the cirle of study, or ‘ have dignity to be member’’ of the cooperative. I do not know if you got many thing en.wiktionary.org many people are completed.
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): You must be a person en.wiktionary.org Tou know what it’s called collaboration __ok__ (many voices are talking)
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): For A en.wiktionary.org Membership in the cooperative, first he must pay rights of registration then,he must do something social according to the principles if it is 50 if it is,it 40 provides it, for it,and even to be allowed to participate as man__ what is 50, 40 … 50 what? __ (Laughs), Hein! 40 dollars, 50 dollars is 250 gourdes__ 250 gourdes to pay for the registration? __ For the registration__you pay 50 pence as rights to participate after you pay 200 gourdes to do a note bank for you,to participate as a member of the cooperative.
And I can also tell …
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): … Can I also say en.wiktionary.org For those members of the cooperative en.wiktionary.org that person must be in the area or can not take someone en.wiktionary.org in other places to become members__ as you say in the area, ti domi is talkin aboute …? __ Grande Riviere du nord__ Grande Rivye di No.
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists: Well, I tell them, all I would say, I see them passing over __ then?
Yes, according to the point my brother got ot, it is two different questions …. To me it speaks well, the only things there are questions being asked that you are answering (voice caller talking on the phone), 50 dollars, blablablablabla __speak louder brother__, not a $ 50 losses,this 50 dollars is in this case it for a door opening to you if you have problems, this has 50, has 50, has 50, has 50, 50 has since all are not wasted, but you don’t buy with them also can put you out of course, but take legal and give the money, but if you say that you are member and you do not have 5 cents in the warehouse (laughs) you put you put you put you put but me,do not put __clap hands__ if i got a problem they do not give me_ yeah_what I will tell__, the man can is unable to provide blablabla … (laughs) the money is our money (laughs) if you have a problem, Big purchases being done,will have complaint for ristoun, but if we had our own money we paid, which gave us open purchase, except FECCANO then we would be Laureates, we would be Laureates sure__we will be responsable__ ahhhhh, you understand.
But what kind of people that we do not want, as if someone would say ok say that he want to be part of it but you do not want this person as a member among us?
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): So people that we do not want..an organisation is a socia ,it is respect for one another ,we do not need to have corruption,someone who is not a stealer and someone who does not used to be in trouble in the street, people who are doing bad scene you understand , and someone who respect his social status, those are people who can participate in the organization.
# 8 (Mervelus Ervenson, Male, 58 years, 5 children, farmers): To tell you … to say that you can be member,you have to be on time tomorrow if God wants like those men are president, some committee, tomorrow you could probably be committee members who can also be an cooperative president, but you have to be a clean person_when you say clean,that means he should take good bathe? __ (laugh), that must not waste people money,waste people money, you can not think that you will take members money and spend,purchase fancy car,buy nice house,it will not be this way. __ you have to be honest__ you have to be someone well know, that is why we not obliged to take others elsewhere for undercutting the cooperative from us__at all__.
We do not have anything anymore? __ Is there transparency in cooperative, when we talk about transparency do ehh all members are aware of everything?
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): Yes, all members are aware of everything, if that happen meetings are held every third Sunday if that something is happening, I do not know in advance but because of meetings held every third Sunday, and people come to the meeting and share all the necessary point, all discussing before, if someone does not know what’s happening at the meetings do not come.
And it is, and this is why, the secretary makes a retrial litigation, when people come they read it in front of people who were not here. If had something you did not like in it you may … (chair noise and noise moto)
# 5 (Leon, Syrilien, Male, 62 years, 2 children, farmers): Euhhh that is the reason why we have some organizersand 13 ASL son of the cooperative, which grouper to other places where they already know what happened to him, Gone from you about something that happened here even if the third Sunday of the month they would not be there, but it has as a date every month to meet for assembly to tell what happened, we all already aware of what is happening inside the cooperative.
You can tell us what ASL is?
Public: Local Assembly
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): there is something that I can see, for example, something that can happen, for example in the afternoon, the federation called me and said president you must choose 3 people to send to Port au Prince I will management committee assembled by me in discuss about the issue with them, now when I introduced us, we will have seen the assembly but you will choose people, now although you choose them, when there is an assembly meeting required we will be oblige to introduce the thing,at least they will be also aware of the choices that we have made, because what might happen, is why we put a committee, when you put a committee, there are small things that you do notneed to gather assembly and run our committee itself decided it, but that does not mean that after you decide but that does not mean when you have decided to take this affairs by themself, when they have meetings that they presented in front of the assembly to say here is the choice you made, and then, everyone will be aware
Does all the income of the cooperative, all the members are aware? hum
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): Yes, because recently there is a member who has asked me to be presented in front the assembly the note bank of the cooperative, Honestly I was given … .For making people,me, I told that, I said the amount of money that we have,I do not say because they did not believe, but they were seen it with they own eyes, and it is true what I said, I pass by this ehh the note bank for everyone saw, to verify if what I said is true
And what about ristoun,what it is exactly?
Ristoun ..__ __ number1__ 2!
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): Ristoun is the benefit that you do on the Cacao that you buy, when you purchase your expenses, you withdraw money that you splatter you subtract expenses that you make, and a benefit left, so it can be benefit it can also be lost and it will be this small and benefit now you calculate ehh the amount of pound of cocoa that you bought, but ehh how much you can give for each pound of cocoa that the producers sale .This is a responsible, What I need to know about ristoun, producers are not in all of those things you say, producers make cocoa, sold their Cacao and have a ristoun, for himself what the ristoun represente.because you are talking about expenditure costs, is sufficiently cooperative response, the cost,to buy The producers do not know those things, but for The producers, members of cooperatives, what is ristoun?
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): A benefit! __ 1you are on pause__ (laughs)
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists): Ristoun represent a benefit for The producer, because it came with the product, it take it to the cooperative, the cooperative sells it for him, it gives the investment so, after another step that save for him, this means what the farmer found as ristoun is the benefits that the cooperative makes, so,it just divides it for all the farmers who have gotten deposited product in the cooperative, and sold it.
Have you got a clear explanation so that I know for example we take a sample, I sell 100 pounds of cocoa,you just buy it per pound,isn’t true __yes__ ok, a producer of cocoa sells 100 pounds, how much ristoun He will have?
How much ristoun He will have? So,if a producer sells 100 pounds Cacao, depending on the benefit that join the cooperative,from now the cooperative will be watching how much savings they have and the amount of farmer has gotten sold cocoa and designing an evaluation divided and to say ok I give this to each pound__cocoa__cocoa,that means if a farmer sold 1000 pounds of Cocoa if they give ristoun in gourdes then this farmer will receive 1000 gourdes, and so if a plant has sold 5 pounds also you know you have 5 gourdes this is an example.
I would say ristoun, so you sent Sale Cacao, you filed Cacao, they give you your investment,they sell it and returning a small benefit to you.
Ristoun is the amount of cocoa pounds …
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): … the amount of cocoa pound that you ,that was filed, now’s gotten sell products, to calculate the costs to be done, now if it has benefits they return the benefits given by each farmer for the amount you sell, they give it to you by the amount of pounds you sell
And I can also say …
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): Ristoun in itself is an incentive ehh, it means that when you give producers a ristoun if the amount of cocoa pounds that it sells__you the producer or leader, you talk as well as leading the producer? As you know if producer__ you the producers are unable to give, you just the producer__ yes! __, You are not working on ristoun decide for yourself how you talk to for you, you are The producers are unable to speak to leaders now when we asked him what the leader does to give the ristoun he will give you all subterfuge all calculations, but you as producers received a ristoun you understand it, what you receive that is what I need you to explain to me,what it means for you, how it came to you, how you understand it (laughs),you don’t understand__yes__
# 2 … (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian) So,that is that, as if when he came over me I feel happy, I am encouraged to provide Cocoa,I’m still in the cooperative because if I give I did not get an incentive so it is to say that (laughs), I will not give again, I will not continue to give anymore
# 8 (Mervelus Ervenson, Male, 58 years, 5 children, farmers): Again, when the lady talking about when finish to give the Cacao, sometimes given the ristoun according to the benefit they give you, some of us used to buy some animals wich can help us with our kids, we bought a few things, some people rent their land for benefit … and this benefit that you hear, it helps us.
Does that happen that you sell and then in a year or in a season, they give you a ristoun and then when the ristoun comes you do not reach where we would wish, or you want more than what comes to you?
Public: Yes __ everyone would want to say more__it is what you are waiting
what do you do when that happen?
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): We sell more products__ we sell more products
When that happen,everyone could have 2, 3,pounds of us, they all encouraged now to bring it__ but we do not sell cocoa in fact,we hand it__ WHO selling,this man sell, anhh cooperative selling?
Well, we as we hand it,there is a buyer who come to take the product we hand the product to buyer, buyer sells it,the buyer knows how many pounds he has sold when he finish to sell it return purchase receipt or the selling receipt for us just to know how much money the pound of cocoa sold. That said, although we gave the product … we can do anything with it, we are farmers, that means we have a benefitwe should be satisfy with what they give us back but if only we knew, if it was our selling products, which pushed up the price of our products, that we know we have sold our growing amount of benefits that we would know we earn for the product, but because we provide the product, the federation, the federation sells when it comes, it does not turn back ehh the selling receipt tells you the set price for each pound of cocoa selling in foreign countries, when they come they tell us ok,they are sold Cocoa then ok they remove all our costs but here is what we have as the benefits, that means if they tell you that you have one gourde as the benefits, as ristoun that would be back for you. you will oblige to accept it, you take it and be satisfy to what they bring back for you because that this what they bring for you, you understand but you would also love if they were given you a ristoun which is__more__ cost 20 gourdes__it would be better__if it cost 30 gourdes totally awesomer for us, then we would feel more advanced.
Male does this happen also that we ask them, or searching to find out the last of a hundred cocoa they sale? __ otherwise … __we do not use to do that? We always searching to know but does not happen__you will not find it easily__do you used to ask for that__we ask it but never happen__ We ask this? __ We used to ask en.wiktionary.org those house sold for us (laughs) __ And sometimes members of that may come also are always looking to know, the some members who attended the meeting as 3rd Sundays, is that when our meeting, we are still asking this question man always Ask We should know a duration of hundred cocoa they sell__how much they sell the pound abroad_. Yes. ok
So we have, you know in the project sector CRS cocoa has one who start although ti domi work for them,ti domi makes study for them,it begins,men,even for producer who leads yours,and does not begin yet because what you need they see you are waiting for,it does not happen to you then now,or told me 3 things that you would love accurate in this project so that a cooperative, the producers benefited can be satisfied, 3 Things even if there are 50give me 3 Things you think the most important work would occur __just give it__
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): Fund of providing then,there is a fund of providing, 2.preparation of all the cocoa Fields,3 adequate training To encourage all
Who is going to talk again? __ Thing 3
Me what I said a pipeline, President already said that
In the 3 same thing,that is the same thing, the problem of fund of providing,because the more you have money you can feed more children, or have less money thing __3, 3 things__ Children will never have a belly full, they will saliva if we reach a time to stop saliva, we arrive at a time for getting a belly full.
3 Things just (a lot of talking in the public)
So what would you wish for your kids, what we would like as new?
What we would like our kids …
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): we would like our kid, we would like our kids become minister, we would like them to become__agronomist__whatever__engineer and so one.
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): What we would love our children become, I would like to see their life depends on the cocoa directly.
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): I would like to see one of my children,as I am a producer tomorrow they can still think of being that too even if yo cho meet any of them,to know that it is the cocoa that supported them and still produce cocoa.
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists: (rushing) I also would like one of my kid in the future (car horns) to come to the field and work with the farmers in the cocoa trees.
# 8: (Mervelus Ervenson, Male, 58 years, 5 children, farmer) I myself would like that our kids,the geography map forces now,tomorrow if God wants so they could replace us as older people en.wiktionary. org In those cooperatives even though they …
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): Consequently children are not have adventure on parents affairs are part of the cooperative because the farmers, oak trees of parents have many years of functioning,that they are new to us an advantage of progressing designed for teaching even gotten involved to Encourage that Sometimes we are new, we operating in cooperatives, we have find a lack of advantages, that is why if we were telling them that cho benefit this would have attracted them to come
(Public is talking)
Men, what is the difference between a woman in the countryside and a woman of the village?
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): Well,for real there is some difference..__their age__ if as if the tip and girl completely in the town,and then you have working hard hard for your children in the countryside, or put your children to school or make all of this all of that then if there is a little income your children can benefit it but the children in the countryside can not benefit it,it is en.wiktionary.org people In the village are the one to benefit it,that is the difference between the countryside en.wiktionary.org in people in the town.
# 10 (Eugene Arnold, Male, 79 years, 6 children, farmers): More often, I hear wherethey talk very good,Mrs for me,I see where we sat over here,I would like that is not of you who do not,I would like when a citizenis talking of en.wiktionary.org people in the countryside to talk clear about itwe over here,we all of peasant all is en.wiktionary.orgpeople of Grand river we are new and it is en.wiktionary.org we are peasant people__establish difference is not;the difference is__the difference has everyone who was en.wiktionary.org Grand river population,all of them died already,all of them are abroad,peasants are silly,they are resident in the village, I hate it when you en.wiktionary.org people are talking tos en.wiktionary.org people in the countryside,people in the village ..
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): differences among people in the countryside and en.wiktionary.org en.wiktionary.org people in the town__ girls specially, __ specially girl , rural Women Lack know, they are not smart, women in the town are more smart __hmm hmm__ can you give us a brief explanation on this smartness that you said__ said ahahahahaha (en.wiktionary.org people laugh) __ smartness means they have more brain, hoping develop new, for example woman in the countryside you can give 100 gourdes for Jackson in markets, because it is not accustomed to big money, Women city you are unable to give her 100 gourdes it has to be $ 100 for her. (Laughter) __heheheheyyy__
Give me a speech,give me a speech
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists): Long long time ago,the geography map Contrast rural girl with urban girl,in village back in the days when you need a good child or insights that this child is a good thing,nowadays, people nowadays,we do not have that__the difference__ difference is parents of the village, tried, I do not know if … keep hard their children, they educate them and give them good instruction they Listening, sometimes the rural child ,when she is in the village,there are some associations to do things ,many Things that help throw her into groups that it does not fall into . It is not the same as back in the days to now, now there is no difference between urban Women __nor rural__and rural Female , girls who lives in the village where does she from,she from rural place in come to live in the village,they have the same knowledge,they do philosophy together,they do rhetorical Together learning things and when one of the village blablabla you will not know the difference,both of them are getting by both of them have knowledge.
Ok, I think we will end completely (noise machines) only to ask if the time that we spend together over here cho has something you judge important in cocoa affairs despite all the question we ask, despite all the intervention each en.wiktionary.org person here judge that there is something that was important in which you did not raise to say, then it is the occasion before we end for you to enjoy saying all you remember that cho forget to say,then say it so that we can end.
# 1 (Dorestin Jude, Male, 53 years, 5 children, technicians agronomists):me personally what I wish, I wish CRS does not take … ehhh our information will never bothering , never We wish as a training … Come back thus to help us with what we have to have more energy and we as farmers,our children can go to several country.
# 5 (Leon, Syrilien, Male, 62 years, 2 children, farmers): Well I wish For CRS, as it come today it was not in vain, it comes up for a specific goal in a way to help Expands us over here Grand rivye di No,in the future we may become en.wiktionary.org human,our children can become en.wiktionary.org become leaders just progress to the material point of viewI hope that it will work to reach this goal,there is something in reward.
# 2 (Jardis Rosena, Female, 58 years, 4 children, custodian): Well, I would hope for CRS can still cooperate together with us and it is not only today that it may still come and talk with us so that we can always exchange opinions together for things to Advance.
# 6 (Baptiste Julmiste, Male, 47 years, 3 children, technicians agronomists: Well, I wish I ehhh that cocoa is one of our family member in Grand Rivye if the family has 6 members en.wiktionary.org cocoa tree is 7, meaning care that we can provide to human it is the same ti domi give to the cocoa tree, I wish to CRS Takethose Complaints in charge where it can make them reach ,make it happen and then what we did not say, so we can succeed so that our cocoa tree become an heritage for us in grande Riviere du Nord.
# 4 (Marcelus Noel, Male, 60 years, 2 children, farmers): me what I wish, CRS come to take information,to return with the information and response to the information that we give.
Thanks
Eben We thank all of us, we expect as we join with us today, we will find the same collaboration, a male partner for us to do the rest Step of the study Together.
Thanks
So,we are counting on you, we rely on cooperative responsible, We are counting on all members also
No matter __leaders themselves will help us, everyone has a point we’ll need is some members of the cooperative, the leaders said they will accompany the team in such areas, such a place, that place, then we rely on we
Thanks__ Thanks a lot
We do not pray thanks__
Let’s clap, plaplaplaplaplaplaplapla
Let’s stand for praying ….
Yes. ok
