Bawon (North)
Participants
- Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop
- Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop;
- Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop
- Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop
- Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop
- Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop
- Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop
We want to say thank you to everyone I Baron for coming to this meeting especially the members of the cooperative, COTAM. We come working for CRS, it has a project on the cocoa production. What we are doing here is one step of the project to get it where needed to go. They cannot work for you if they don’t have any data or good information but it does not mean they do not know anything about you.They already talked to the leaders, they got some information from them You cannot say that you have data on someone by simple talking to them with a well prepared questionnaire to gather all the information you need from him. You have to use a method to get those data. That method is called an independent group, it is a group that has no relationship with the cooperative or CRS. They use this group to find the information that they need. That is why we are here, our objective is to get the information from you and transmit it to CRS. We are the bridge between you and CRS. You give us the information and our job is to take that information to CRS. Everything we are going to talk about it based cocoa the cocoa production. We are going to ask you some questions, everyone here have a number, and we use that to identify you. Each time you want to talk raise your hand with the number so we can give you permission. Each question that will be asking, all of you can answer. When someone is talking, the rest of you must listen to him and let him finish and after someone else will be able to talk. We are using recorders to record everything that is being said so we do not lose anything from what you will say to us. We use this technic in order for us not lose anything. It means everything you say, _noise of a motorcycle_ …will be recorded. This is the reason I am asking you not talk at the same time. All of you will have time to talk.
A participant: Yes
Ok, can we start now?
A participant: Yes we can.
The first thing we want to know is, why is cocoa good?
#5Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Well, cocoa is good for many reasons. First, _voice of a woman talking very low_ as farmers we plant it to get money. With that money, we pay school _silence_A patisipant(F): Keep on talking_…for our children,_noise of a motocycle_ We sell the cocoa to pay school for our children, and we use that money to feed them and us. _noise:kling gendeng gendeng_…We can save some money. This is why the production is very very important._ Voice of children talking_.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Ehumm, the reason we plant cocoa and to keep on planting cocoa because it is useful to us. We plant it for many reasons. It gives us money to solve our problems; we need it, it gives us chocolate to drink, the chocolate makes us stronger. It is very important because even if it does not solve all our problems but it solves some of our problems. This is the reason we need the cocoa, I am a producer _Noise of cars passing_.. I see how it is helpful for me and I will keep on planting cocoa until I die because. I am alive and it helps me in everything. It helps the children. When I die I want to leave it as an heritage for the generation after me. This is the reason why I keep on planting cocoa.
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Cocoa, the reason we….
Why is it good?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: It is important for us because… _Noise of a bus passing by_ because we had something that used to help us now it deminshing .The oranges used to help us with everything. Back in the day, it was the oranges that paid school for our children.Now it is cocoa that replaced oranges. Today with 100 pounds of cocoa you get your children ready for school. On the next harvest you still benefit because you can give your children some money to go to school. That gives you encouragement to keep on planting cocoa. It keeps you motivated to keep on planting cocoa because you know it is something you will not lose and it will help you in everything you will be doing. If you have a problem and you need money you can go to a speculators and tell him, “You know I have cocoa and loan me $200HT[48] and next week I will pay back with cocoa.” The speculator will be happy to loan you that money. _ Another participant said something that can’t be heard. #2 continues: No, no it’s just an example. Cocoa has a full potential. That is why people had neglected the cocoa and did not want to plant it, now are planting it to see if they can make the production part of their household. Because_noise of motocycle_ some the older generation would just leave around 10 cocoa trees behind for their children but now people want to leave more than that before they died.
Let’s try to be more precise on the answers.
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop : The reason I say the cocoa is good, specially on every Wednesday _noise of motocycle passing by_we get it ready on Monday and Tuesday to sell _noise of a motocycle passing by_ If we owe money to someone we can pay him back on Wednesdays. As soon as it is Wednesday we get the money to pay the person back._ someone is cleaning his throat_ The cocoa pays school for our children. When you have to do something the cocoa helps you to do it. The cocoa makes you earn money. The cocoa helps you in everything you are doing. It pays school for children. As for cocoa my man, we cannot tell how good it is enough. It helps with everything and as soon as it is Wednesday it says “Good morning”.
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop : I can not find the word to explain how important cocoa is. The way cocoa is helping me,the way it supporting me; it pays school for my children. When I need 50 gourdes for the kids to go to school cocoa gives it to me. I gathered cocoa on Sunday and Monday and get ready to sell on Wednesday. I don’t beans or anything else to sell, I only have the cocoa._ someone is cleaning his throat_ My life depends on it. The cocoa has helped me to raise my children, it is everything to me. When you have 100 or 150 pounds of cocoa put it on an animal back…_ noise of motocycle passing by_ Cocoa is planted on every single pieces of land that I own. When I die, I will leave them as a heritage for my children and they will leave them to their childrens._someone is zipping up something and a motocycle is passing by.
Do you make any kind of remedies from it?
Several partisipants: No, no, only chocolate.
One person at a time, if you have the answer raise your hand with your number.
#7Simon Limanie: F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop: We do not make any remedy with the cocoa. We do not make remedy with the cocoa. We drink cocoa and we sell it. If I used to plant 50 cocoa trees in my farm or a 100, I would be working on planting 200 because it is very useful.
Would you like to add something?
A partisipant: No, I was going to say the same thing
Do you eat the coco?
Several partisipants: Yes, yes
How do you eat the cocoa?
A participant: Money, we make chocolate with it.
Do not you do anything else with it?
Several partisipants: No, no, no.
Only chocolate?
A participant: We do not know about the others, but it makes us earn money _noise of motocycle passing_
How many different varities of cocoa there are?
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: The local cocoa.
How many different types of cocoa there are?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Well, we have different types of cocoa but we cannot identify them well. We have the local cocoa which is our cocoa. There is a big cocoa, which is hummm_Another participant: Foreign_ foreign cocoa that has different types of colors. Sometimes it’s deep red color, light red, deep blue, or light blue. We have them but cannot identify them all.We don’t know.
Do not you know their names?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: No, we do not know their names; we only know that they are cocoa trees.
A participant: Well I belive we forget theirs names. We have Criolo, we have Forastero, and there is another one. I forget it names ._ noise of children are playing_
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: We have the “[49]pote kole” cocoa.It has a beautiful color._children are talking_We also have violet cocoa.That means that we have different types of cocoa.
Which cocoa do you call “pote kole”?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: A cocoa which has big seeds.The seeds are very long. During the harvest the tree gives good and beautiful cocoa.
If someone asks you how many different types of cocoa do you have you would say the pote kole and what else would you say?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Yes and we have the small cocoa, and that is why we have all these different types of cocoa.
You were telling me about the other one you have but you change to something else. You said that you have the pote kole cocoa, what others do you have? _ a motocycle is passing_
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: We have humm, we have a small which is the local cocoa._motocycle is passing_We have another one that is big that was giving to us by an institution.How did we got that cocoa? _another participant : Hey, hey, I want to answer that one.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : Ehummm ,the man asked how many different varieties of cocoa do we have.
How many types of cocoa are there?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : If I am to identify them all I would say that we have 5 different varieties of cocoa.
Can you name all 5 of them for us?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : We said that we have a big cocoa which seeds are big and red. That is the local cocoa. Its seeds are like….
What is the name for it?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : That is what I told you, we have them but we don’t know their names. How did we get them? At first we only had the small blue on. Then a project that came to the cooperative and they can gave us several other different kinds. I don’t know where they came from but they were in boxes. We did nurseries with them and we planted them. They grew and gave us cocoa in all different colors, all different colors. We have never identified their names but I know we have about 5 different varieties.
What month do you harvest cocoa? _ a motocycle is passing by_
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Well, we start to harvest in September. September, October and November is the small harvest. From December, January, February, to March we have the big harvest. Someone in the audience is talking and laughing_That means from March to April the cocoa started decreasing and by May it is almost gone. You will still get some wild ones but the big harvest is from December to March. During those time we have a lot cocoa. _Number 7 starts talking befor Number 3 finishes_
#7 Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop: There is a big cocoa, the big one the mister is talking about. It’s call hybrid, hybrid cocoa. It was in the time of LOULOUNE during the period of LOULOUNE we got it. It is the big cocoa with big seeds._noise of motocycle and benches moving_
How do you spend your days during the time of harvest?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Yes, how do we spend our days during harvest time ? During the time of harvest, we don’t_ chairs are moving_ harvest in one day _ someone is walking around in heels_ In one week we can, on this week we harvest an amount. _silence_. In 15 days we go and harvest more cocoa sell it .15 later we go back again. We do not harvest it all at one time but each time we harvest we make money._ someone else is talking in the audience_
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: Yes, it is the same thing. I will say the same thing. Days we harvest cocoa are good days for us. We make money and that is good for us. Because if you owe money to someone, you can pay him back. If we need to do domething in our farm we can do it. It solves our problems, so that day is very good for us.
According to you, what is the easiest task in the cocoa production for you as producers?
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5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: While producing cocoa, what is most difficult for us is the market. We work hard to plant market to sell, truly. We _people are talking _when we harvest very often we don’t have a good market to sell. The cooperative was founded to buy cocoa. _ someone is cleaning his throat_ There was a period where the cooperative was not buying cocoa from us. That means we were selling to the speculators. During that time the speculators paid us whatever they wanted. You see? They took it at whatever price they wanted. _ voice of kinds talking_ Ehumm we don’t have a market. Our biggest problem is after spending our energies planting, cleaning and harvesting and when we sell to the speculators they pay us however they want. This is our biggest problem, we do not have a market.
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: Yes, yes the problem we have_ motorcycle passing by_ our problem is when we decided to sell it for $5HT[50] the buyer wants to pay $4HT[51] and we cannot say anything to him. We are obliged to give it to him. This is a problem because we cannot say anything. They give whatever prices they want for our cocoa.
What other things are you find difficult in the production?
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: The same thing we said.
What can a woman do in the production that might be difficult for a man to do?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2yrs in coop: What women do in the cocoa production, as the men are picking the women are gathering. They prepare the cocoa and sell it. _motorcycle is passing by_ The men want to make money too, but they know after the women sell the cocoa if they make 10 gourdes they will only share it if they want. _laughing JJJ_ It is up to the women to sell the cocoa
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: It is up to the men to pick the cocoa and the women break them. Both of them work in the production and both of them benefit the money.
What can men do and women cannot do?
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: well, what men do, men climb the cocoa trees and the women have to break them_JJJ laughing_
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: Me as women, I do everything an man can do, _ several people are talking in the audience_ Man does not pick cocoa for me. I do not climb the trees. I am the one who do everything by myself. I use a long stick and pick up 50 pounds of cocoa by myself. It is my job, I do it all.
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: What men can do and women cannot is planting the cocoa_JJJ laughing_men plant cocoa, that is all._JJJ laughing_
#7 Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop : I would say that there is no work that men can do but women cannot do. As a woman, I plant cocoa like men. I pick cocoa from the trees and break them. I dry it and sell it. Like a
How is the process planting cocoa is done, what do you do before selling?
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#7 Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop : We just the break the cocoa and take it to the balancers[52]._a participant is laughing: hi,hay
If you dry it isn’t that a process?
#7 Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop: Yes , we can spend 3 days drying it and the we take it to a balancer.
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: We do not spend 3 drying. Where I am from we do not spend 3 days drying. We just break it on Monday on Tuesday it already dry. We put it in a sack and it dries the water from it. We do not wash it we make it dry and sell it but we do not wash it.
Between men and women who sell the cocoa?
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: I do not know for the others, if I am not home the man can put the cocoa inside the house for me. He does not measure or sell it for me.I am the one who sells, that is what I do.
Who sells more cocoa?
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: Well, I am the who sells the cocoa. Women sell the cocoa. Women sell the cocoa.I do not know about other places, but in this area women are the one who sell the cocoa.
#7 Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coo: Both of them sell cocoa. _JJJlaughing_ Men sell the cocoa and sell the cocoa. _JJJlaughing_
How do you sell it?
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop:We sell it per pound, we measure it. Yes we measure the cocoa. If you need 50 pounds of cocoa, you take it from the trees.If the cocoa was well ripe you take to the balancer you can have extra 5 or 4 pounds from it.
Which one are you talking about the green one or the ripe one?
#1 Nardin Rony: M; 52yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: It is ripe. I don’t about other places but here we don’t about the green one.For us it has to be ripe.
Several in the audiance: The dry one
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: Dry, dry , yes
Ahh, you are talking about the dry one.
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: Yes._silence_
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop:Well, what the sister said is true. I understand what the sister just said but as woman I don’t have a man to help me and when I am in need I pick the cocoa green and sell it. I don’t have anyone to help me with carrying. When I need money, I pick the green ones,break and sell them. Quickly, I make money. I sell it drying it.
What is most difficult thing for women in the production?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: For the women, the ladies, nothing is too difficult for them. When the get the cocoa it is with a happy heart that they drying it because they know they will be making money from it.
When we are talking about the cocoa production, we want start from the beginning. What is most difficult thing for women in the production?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Well, what we would say is cleaning. Cleaning the cocoa is the most difficult. Some women mow the land just like any other man. Especially right now that they see that cocoa is giving them money they will not leave the farm in bad conditions. They mow the land and prepare the cocoa. Now the cocoa is going through something_ noise:kleng, kleng, kleng_ it is producing fruit now but preparation is needed to be made for it. You need to build a house for it and clean it_ motorcycle is passing by_ for the cocoa to produce more.
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: For me, cleaning, cleaning is more difficult.
What is most difficult for you?
_ people are talking in the audience _
#1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: Cleanning is most difficult for me. Cleaning is difficult. I have to need to get rid of the lougawou[53] branches, I need to cut them.
What is the most difficult thing for men in the cocoa production?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Well, for me, nothing is difficult. I plant the cocoa. I clean the cocoa._ noise of a motocycle_ I prepare the cocoa. I pick the cocoa. I carry the cocoa home. I break the cocoa and I even sell it. Even if it is up to the women to sell I still do it. I can do everything; if I can plant it I can do everything.
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Well, as for me the most difficult is the harvest. I don’t have space to dry the cocoa. That means I don’t have a floor to put it out to dry in my house. That is the only difficult thing for me. Sometimes I used stray and pieces of sheet metal to set it out to dry. That is my biggest problem.
Do we plant the cocoa or they grow up by themselves?
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: We plant them_JJJ laughing_ plant , plant.
Can you explain the process from planting until harvest time?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Yes, in the past the way we used to plant was go to all the bottoms banana trees and cut the head of the pods, you know that cocoa have a head and a bottom before we plant them we get to cut the bottom and the head.
A participant(F): The seeds in both the bottom and the head are soft seeds.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: You dug a hole and place the pod. But after the training we got from COTAM, now we prepare the cocoa and put them in bags. We do nursery. We water them and when they are ready we dig holes by measurement, take out the bottom of the bags and plant them.
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#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: That cocoa is cocoa is already good. There are no problems when you take them out of the bags to plant them._ motorcycle passing by_ That means they will not die because the tree are already growing. They will only need to develop more. With that system we produce more cocoa.
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: According to me we planted on our own, nobody showed us how to plant. It was because we see that cocoa was becoming very important and we began to plant. When we see how much money we can make from cocoa we planted more. As we planted more and more some organization came and showed us more things. Now we will have more than we used to. _ motorcycle is passing by_
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Yeah, ehumm, the way the mister is explaining the process to you, we didn’t know how to plant cocoa. That is why all the old trees that were planted are too close to each other. They do not have enough space to develop so they can produce good qualities of cocoa. The cooperative taught us how to plant them. They told us we have to respect distance when planting cocoa. The distance is 3 meters by 3 meters or 4 meters by 4 meters. When you respect that distance the cocoa has more space to develop, it will give you more cocoa _voice of someone talking.
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How do you sell it cocoa?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : Noise of motocycle coming_ Yes, how do we sell cocoa? After we harvest it we dry it and take it to the cooperative._noise of motocycles_ When the cooperative do not take it, we sell it to a speculator.
another participant: To the cooperative
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : We go sell to the balancers .If the cooperative starts buying cocoa , I believe all the cocoa will come here. We don’t have anywhere else to sell it if the cooperative could take it from us it would be good.
What is the biggest problem you have with prices?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop Michel : The problem is when we want to sell the cocoa at a price but the buyers decide to give their own prices. The price never goes up it is always going down.
A participant: That is true.
_A woman is laughing_
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop Michel : You understand? That is the problem we have with the cocoa. can put on your mind that you will make a quantity of money and when you go to sell it you realize the price is decreased, this is our problem regarding the price. When you have good quality of cocoa and you think you will make good money, you only get ehummm…
Two participants (M,F): Just a small amount, a very small amount
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop Michel : That is the problem we have with the cocoa
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: Whe sell beans we can give our prices but not cocoa. The buyers give the price that they want. Each time they have a different price.
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Who do you sell cocoa to?
_Noise of a big truck passing that prevent from hearing what the participant is saying_
Le nou ap konpare jounen travay nou Jodi a avek jounen travay granmoun lontan yo ki diferans nou we ki genyen?
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#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: The difference is, if our parents had got the same training we are getting today we would be way ahead.
_noise of children playing_
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: Yes, like the brother said it ,now, now, we e have the chance to have agronomists who are training us and giving us good education. Now everytime we plant….
Another participant: speak up, speak up
He said to speak up.
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: Hummm, in the past people did not know how to plant cocoa. They used to plant them to close to each other but now we know at what distance to plant. It is better for us now.
Another participant(F): Our life is better now.
Do you like what you are doing? Do you like being a cocoa producer?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : Yes, we love our lives because we are producing the cocoa .The cocoa does many things for us, we like what we are doing. If I could find 200 cocoa trees to plant, it would be good for me, because I willl have more than what I have now. Before I die, I want to leave many cocoa trees for my children and their children.
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#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: It helps us in everything we are doing. We love our lives, we like what we are doing, we like the cocoa trees.
_ Children are playing_
What is the role of the children in the cocoa production?
#7 Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop : They help us when we are planting.
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: Laughing_ Depends on the distance, they carry the plant to the farm for us.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Children today are not like the children in the past. Back in the day the children wanted to help, but now, they have to go to school. They have to do their homework; it is not easy for them so we have to work for them.
Do the children sell cocoa?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : No,children do not sell the cocoa. We sell it and it helps the children but it is not up to the children to sell it.
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: Well, sometimes children sell it. Itmight happen you have a problem and you ask the child to sell it for you. You trust him; he does exactly what you ask him to do.
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Is cocoa the most important product in this area?
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: Well, the reason cocoa becomes more important,_ someone is cleaning his throat_ we used to cultivate other products like coffee and oranges, but coffee had been destroyed, even the oranges. So cocoa has taken. _ motorcycle is passing by_ Now according to me, cocoa is the only product that is helping us_ motorcycle is passing by_ When you plant it, it grows. It will not die if it get a lot of sun. That is why after God that cocoa is our only hope.
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#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Yes, I would say that cocoa is something that is here to help us all the time. During the time when we don’t have cocoa we are sick because it is not harvest time. When cocoa is going out of season we are examining when you used to sell 50, 25, or 30 pounds of cocoa we are selling only 5 pounds. _Kids far away can be heard playing_ That makes us sad because _loud noise of a motorcycle passing through_ production is going down. Sometimes you might need to buy a textbook for your child and you sell 2 pounds of cocoa and you are safe. Sometimes you need to do a konbit[54] to clean the farm you can sell some to cover the cost. When you don’t have it you will have to find something else to sell.
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: To add to what she said, we can say that currently the cocoa means a lot to us. Someone with a huge bitasyon[55] of cocoa can be compared to person who has money in the bank.._noise of motocycles passing_ Because when you have money in the bank, you can decided one day to go to the bank and take some money, that is the same thing when you have a farm with cocoa._noise of a motorcycle passing by_ You can say to the speculator that you need 2000[56] or 3000[57] gourdes from him and tomorrow he can come to take cocoa for the money. So cocoa has a lot of importances.
Besides cocoa,what other products do you?
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: We already talked about them. We had the oranges but it has been destroyed._noise of the motocycles_We had the coffee the same thing happened to it. So the cocoa is the only thing that we have, and we have some other products…
Like?
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: We produce beans,peanut, corn and manyok[58]. You see, we produce those things to eat and we also produce banana.
Which one of them gives you more money?
# 5 #5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Well, _ motocycle passing_ all these products give us money. During peanut season, we harvest it and make money with it. During the beans season, we harvest and sell to make money. We used to sell the mamit[59] of beans for 200[60] to 275[61] gourdes. You see, all of them are important.
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#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Well, according to me,all of them are important._ someone cleaning his throat _But the most important ones are cocoa and orange. You plant them once and they will produce every year.
Another participant: You can find cocoa at any moment.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: As for the rest, I mean the corn, you have to spend money each time to plant it. Sometimes the sun burns the crop. But what is important is when you have cocoa, orange and banana.You are able to eat them and make money with them. The cocoa is first because the coffee had been destroyed.
Do you have anything else?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: We have others like, we have banana, yam, peanut, corn, we have bean, and sweet potatoes. We have all of these here. All of them are important,_noise of a motorcycle_ we use all of them. But….
A participant (F): The biggest thing is the cocoa; you just prepare it and harvest it.
How does the cooperative work?
_ someone cleaning his throat_
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop Well, the cooperative is working ,_Children are playing_ it is working very well. What we need _ motorcycle is passing by_is more support. As we are getting more support it will move forward. Well that is what we need. But as for us we are fighting together with it cooperative, if God wants, to be stronger. Well, when we don’t get anything we going klopi klopan[62] but we get something we feel stronger together.
How does the cooperative help you?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Help us like in…
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: The cooperative helps us in several different ways. Because since I’ve been a member in the cooperative, I am an elder, since the cooperative had been founded it has done a lot of great things for me._ participant is talking very low_ Every projects that came to the cooperative I got involved in them. If I have a lot of cocoa right now it is because of the cooperative. If I tell you that I need something, I will find the resource from the cooperative to do it. I cannot say that the cooperative is not working. Because now each thing that comes to the cooperative is moving us forward for things to be better ._children are playing_ As for me I cannot criticized the cooperative. _motorcycle is passing by_ Because it has done a lot for great things for me. I don’t know for the others but as for me I benefit a lot from the cooperative.
What other services the cooperative gives you?
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Yes, the cooperative helps us a lot in several other ways. First we have is called training. Well, that is the cooperative main domain. Today I am a technician thanks to the cooperative.
Are you a technician?
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: I can say that I am not a real technician because I do not know everything but I know many things thanks to the cooperative. For example, recently we had project that eheummmm DNDN, Minister of Agriculture, did here in Baron. Every man from the cooperative who participated in the project got a certificate
What was the project about?
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop It was on dirt and rocks. Understand? Everyone from the cooperative got a certificate
What other services does the cooperative offer to the community? _something heavy is passing by_
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Well, the cooperative is always helping the community. It gives a lot of things to the community. Some organizations give us banana trees, sugarcane, pineapple to plant. When we have them we share them with others in the community. Some people have more privilege than others. They give it to the people who work. Sometimes they give it to the people who work on conservation of the fields, _noise of the motocycles and children playing and we share with others. Yeah! We share with others. The cooperative is very good. Sometime you need money to pay school for your children, you go to the cooperative and they will lend it to you_noise of the motocycles_ it offers many, many services.
What things you think that the cooperative should do but does not them?
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop Well, what cooperative could have done_motorcycle is passing through_ but doesn’t do them is because it lacks the possibilities to do them. That means everyone needs to make an effort for themselves._Children are playing_ That means if there things that the cooperative cannot do and they are necessary it does not have to give them to us because does not have them.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: What I think, ehummmm, that cooperative should have is a bank. If someone have some money they can save it on their account .When you have a problem you can come and take to solve your problem ._Children are talking far way_ The cooperative should have a bank. If it doesn’t have it to me it is missing something.
Rooster: cock-a-doodle-doo
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Yes, there should a seed bank also. Very often in the year _Someone is cleaning his throat_ a farmer mow the farm and he could find any seeds to plant. Well if the cooperative have a bank for that it will be good. That means someone who_ motorcycle beeping_ is a member in the cooperative when he mows his farm he will know where he will the seeds to plant. The reason farmers are not mowing their land is because they don’t know where they will get seeds they need. That is why we are always late. When you were supposed to plant you didn’t and when you plant the crops are destroyed because the sun it too hot.
Are there are many women in the cooperative?
##5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Yes, yes, yes, there are many women in the cooperative.
Is there difference between women and men in the cooperative?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Well, I would say there areno differences because both of them benefit the same thing. _someone is cleaning his throat_ We have the same rights. That means, _ children playing_ if there is something that the woman cannot do, a man can do it for her. We all work. That is all.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop Well, between men and women ehummm there is a difference. What is the difference? For example the women get loans to do business but do not get loans. There is a difference, not all of the have the same problem.
Another participant: mmmmh-hummmm
_voice of a woman talking _
What can prevent a woman from being a member in the cooperative?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Nothing can woman from being a member in the cooperative.
_noise of a motocycle_
Can any woman become a member in the cooperative?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Yes, any woman can be a member, but she needs to be 18 years old.
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Yes, the comrade said that any woman can be a member in the cooperative; I have to say no to that._motorcycle passing by_ Just like not any woman can be a member it is the same thing for a man. For example, ehummm, if we know someone who likes to make trouble and disrespect people on the street, someone is lifting her dress to her heard in the streets, those kind of people cannot be members. Someone who is greedy cannot be a member. We don’t tolerate those kinds of people among us. That is for both men and women.
Does that mean you don’t any kind of greedy people in the cooperative?
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Exactly, we do not tolerate them.
_Someone is laughing_
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Ehummm, about people who are greedy, in the cooperative you cannot take all kinds of people. But you cannot just say to the person that they can’t become members because they are greedy; there are rules and regulation that you have to show them. When you show the regulations to them, they will know that they don’t have a place among us.
Who benefit most in the cooperative, men or women?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: According to women benefit more than men._ motorcycles are passing_Yes, women benefit the most.
Why do you say that?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Why did I say that? _motorcycle passing by_ Ehummm, when there is project or an activity both and women can find work in them. Besides that the women get loans. They have more advantage than us.
The cooperative does not give loans to men?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs;10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : No, it does not .
Wht don’t the men ask for loans?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: They said they do not give loans to men.
A participant: They do not give loan money to men only women, only women.
_JJJ laughing_
What is the difference between women who are from towns than women from the countyside?
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#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: There is no difference, both of them do their works.
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop Well, the difference between them is that those from towns do what women from towns do. Women from the countryside do what women from the countryside do. _motorcycle is passing_ There were rats who were fighting each other. The first one said he is not a rat, the second one said he is a rat. Well, one of them said “Walk in front of” and while they were walking he said “Look, here is a rat !” The second one turns around and looks at the other and said “Here is another one!” As human being we have a better understanding of things.
_JJJlaughing_
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: What the elder said is the story of the city rat and the country rat. The city rat said that they don’t call him rat and said it is the rat from the country that they call rat. _motorcycle is passing_ People from towns are always respectful to people from the countryside.
Why?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Why? One said he is from the town another said he is from the countryside. Town’s business is not the countryside’s business. Each one of them has their own roles.
Why is like that according to you?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : Well, they made it like that. They made the differences. We see everyone as people. They said people as people from towns they don’t mix with people from the countryside. They always say that.
#8 – As for me, what I see if the cooperative continues to work everything will be fine.
_voice of children talking_
Is there a difference between women from towns and women from the country?
#8 -Fi : Difference between women from towns and from the country? Well, supposedly women from towns think they are better the people from the country. Everyone is valuable in some way.
_Child is crying_
What makes each one valuable?
R#8- Because people from towns are originally from the country. Understand?
Is there transparency in the cooperative?
A participant: No, I do not see that.
What we mean by transparent is if you know about everything that is going on in the cooperative, like all the activities. Do they explain everything to you?
Two participants (F) :Yes, yes
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop Each time there is something new we know about them. If we didn’t know we will not be able to tell you, ehummm, about the women and men in the cooperative. The women more advantages than the men. The reason we know that is because we know about everything that is going in the cooperative.
#8 -Fi : Yes, we know everything about the cooperative, they explain everything to us. Women work. Men work. We all work.
What is a Ristoun?
#8 -Fi : The ristoun, we cannot say anything about it. In the past when the cooperative was buying we used to get ristoun. Now the cooperative doesn’t buy anything there is no ristoun.
Rooster: cock-a-doodle-doo
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: Well, to have a ristoun there should be activities going on in the cooperative. If you sell you get a ristoun but if you don’t sell you don’t a ristoun.
,_A child is crying_,
If I understand well there is no ristoun anymore.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: There is no ristoun anymore.
Did you ever had it before?
A participant: Yes
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: We had it in the past
Can you tell us about it?
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: The ristoun was when, you used to get it, _ a child is playing_ that is when we use to sell cocoa. Right? When you sold cocoa they paid you and gave you a receipt. At the end of the year they came back and gave you a ristoun. That was the bonus you got for selling. The cooperative didn’t buy cocoa that is why we didn’t get it. Things are changing; I don’t if we will get it this time. We don’t know yet._a child is crying_ With the price that is cocoa is being sold how will you get a ristoun from it?
_Children are playing_
A participant: Yes, I was going to say the same thing.
#7Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop: The difference I see _ a small child is playing_ between men and women in the cooperative is when you are building a committee it should have both men and women _motorcycle is passing by _ but in the cooperative they only take men. They don’t even put a single woman in the cooperative.
That is where the difference is?
#7Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop In the cooperative, in all the committee they only take men. Are women not important? I would like to know if women are not important.
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop Well, as for me I am doing to deny this information. I am part of the monitoring committee. That committee has 3 members, 2 men and 1 woman. In the education committee there are 2 men and 1 woman. In the administrative committee the advisor is a woman. What I am afraid of and understand is that we don’t have enough women. But when they say that there are no women in the committees, I Rony deny that information. That is not true. _someone cleans his throat_ There are women.
#7 Simon Limanie; F; 55 yrs; 2 kids; 6e AF; saleswoman; 6 yrs in coop When the cooperative was working with women, women had more importance. Women were encouraged to do business. Now there is no business. There is nothing in the cooperative at all.
_Children are playing_
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: I disagree because I am a member of the cooperative but I am not in the committee but I see women in the committees.
That is your own opinion, he has his own. You can tell us what you think.
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop What the sister said, I would say_ participants are saying that they don’t agree with what #7 said_ what do I think? Sometimes there are activities in the cooperative but sometimes there are none. Everyone benefits something in those activities. For example someone can eat today and tomorrow goes to bed hungry. When you don’t get anything you can hope for tomorrow to be better.
_Motorcycle passing by_
We didn’t finish talking about the ristoun, how did it work when you had it?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop When we were getting a ristoun you would get it at time like this, at the end of the year. Cocoa production is going down now. When we getting the ristoun, it was with a happy heart to give cocoa.
How do they give the ristoun?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: How they give you the ristoun depending on how well you prepare the cocoa. If you give good cocoa, you will get a good ristoun.
Let us consider you sell 100 punds of cocoa_noise of hammer hitting on something_, how much Ristoun would you receive?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Well, how do they give it? It is the same thing we spoke about _motorcycle is passing by_ if the cocoa is good quality you can get 5 gourdes[63] per pound.
When you receive 5 gourdes for each pound, do you think it is fair or you should have receive more than that?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: I used to sell 200 to 500 pounds and I did not any benefit from it. One day they can give $200HT[64] to me or $300HT[65] of ristourn,_noise of a hammer hitting on something ,that is God who came down from the sky and brough cocoa to us.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: The ristoun is based on the way you sell the cocoa. _noise of a hammer hitting on something_ When we sale it to the cooperative, we used to get ristoun. We know when we sell it to the speculators that…
No, we are not talking about speculators because we know that speculatosr does not give ristoun…
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: . When we used to sell here they gave us a receipt and they came back with money. We never verified how much it was. _someone is coughing_ We don’t know if in the future we will understand it. That means whatever they use to give us we would take it.
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: Yes, the ristoun varied in the cooperative . It depends on how much you sell. Imagine if you sell 1 pound of cocoa in a year,_ another participant: Hummmmm!_ they will put 5 gourdes in an envelope and give to you. You will have to take. You cannot compare yourself to someone who gets ristoun for 200 pounds of cocoa.
Does everyone get the same ristoun if they sell the same amount of cocoa?
A participant : You will get the same. If you sell 1 pound like everyone else you will get 5 gourdes. Someone who sells more will get more.
Do you know where the cooperative sell your cocoa?
Several participants: No, no
Do they sell it in Haiti or abroad?
_Motorcycles passing _
A participant: Well, ehummm, they sell abroad. We had MEDA who we were buying cocoa for. _motorcycle is passing by_ MEDA would store the cocoa abroad. That was how we came with the ristoun system. There is a percentage that would return to us; that percentage is the ristoun.
_Beeping of a motorcycle_
As members in the cooperative, do you know how much the pound is being sold for abroad?
Several participants: No, no, we do not know.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop: We do not anything about it
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: To me cocoa is something they took from us and gave us a small amount of money. We don’t how for how much they sell it. We plant a lot product. We plant beans, corn, and peanut; when we take a mamit of beans to the market we sell it at the price we want. But for the cocoa you pick it , break it , and take to the speculators. If the speculators say 10 gourdes you don’t know if it is right or wrong; you have to sell it to them because you don’t have another place to sell it. If they say it is 10 gourdes, it is 10 gourdes.
_Someone is coughing_
Why don’t you sell it at the price you want like the other products?
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#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: If we know where the sell it, we would take it there and sell it too.
_JJJ laughing_
As you may know CRS has a project for the cocoa production in this area, what 3 things would you like CRS do to for you?
# 5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: First, I would like for pice of cocoa to increase and to have a fix price. The second thing we want as producers is a place to dry the cocoa. Very often we have to dry the cocoa on the ground that is not good for the cocoa.
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Yes, ehummm, as for us we would like to get support to ehummm develop the cocoa production. Support on grooming, planting, and the nursery system to move forward with the production.
What are the dreams you have for your children? Would you like for them to work in the cocoa production like you?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Well, as for the children I can say that they are already ehummm in the production. When the child sells cocoa for you, you give him 30 gourdes[66] or 40 gourdes[67] he puts it in his pocket to take to school. That makes him very happy. You are also encouraging him.
Would like to see your children become cocoa producers like you ?
#2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Well, ehummm , all of us here have children. The children, the younger one have their own small garden. They are asking you for small cocoa tree to plant in their garden. They want to have theirs in the future. The children are strongly involved in the production
#5 Alfred Remond; M; 50 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 25 yrs in coop: This is a good question._noise of motocycles_ All my children are boys. I would like for God bless all of them. I would like to have 7 agronomists so they can plant cocoa._ something zipping_I would like for to keep on planting the cocoa, even after I die. I would like for the to always remember that the cocoa contributed in paying school for them.
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop : Well, as for me cocoa is not something that can be planted anywhere. Many of us already have cocoa, _motorcycle is passing by_ and we will continue to plant cocoa. By the time the children are adult what we planting now will be producing. All the children would have to do is harvest cocoa and sell it.
Is there a difference between your sons and daughters? Do you raise them the same way? Do you give them the same education?
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop: We raise them the same way. We give the same education, because we pay school for both of them.
#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : Well, as for me ehummm children now a day we can say that we work for them. They are going to school they won’t see farming as something for them to do.
Do you raise them the same way, with the same education?
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#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop : Both are in school. Understand? It is not like one of the go to school and another one goes to farm. Both of them are in the school. Well, it is the same education for them both.
_JJ J laughing?
Did everybody hear that? Would someone like to add something else? We are about to finish here and I want to thank all of you for participating. If there is something you would like to say, this the perfect time to say it.
#6 Dugue Lusette; F; 69 yrs; 7 kids; 4e AF; saleswoman; 30 yrs in coop:
The last thing I would like to say why are you here? What are looking for? You called us here and ask us questions, why?
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Researcher Nahomie: Maybe you was not present in the begining , Mr. Pharrel said that we are doing a survey for CRS on cocoa production. We are doing a research . We will be talking to producers, and leaders in the cooperative to better understand the cocoa production. We want to know everything about you as producers to better understand you and then we will give the report to CRS. We act as a bridge for you and CRS. That means everything that was recorded in this meeting will be giving to CRS in a report.
.#3 Michel Duverneau; M; 59 yrs; 10 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 4yrs in coop Well, the last thing we want to say ehummm is thank you for what you doing here. We hope you take the letter and we get an answer.
_JJJ laughing _
#4 Lessage Elismene; F; 66 yrs; 4 kids; 5e AF; farmer; 20 yrs in coop: We would like for the price of the cocoa to increase. That would be good.
A participant: I was going to say the same thing.
2 Ceide Sidoine; F; 81 yrs; 4 kids; 4e AF; farmer; 2 yrs in coop: Well, we say thank you because you are doing this for us on the cocoa production. _children playing_ We hope that you can teach something new about the cocoa.Thank you for being with us today.
1 Nardin Rony;M; 52 yrs; 7 kids; 6e AF; farmer; 20yrs in coop: Well, I want to say thank you. We say thank you because the letter is written now and we are waiting for the answer. _motorcycle is passing by
Thank you to every single one of you for coming here. I hope this is not the last we see each other. This is the first step of the survey, there will be another part. Again thank you to each one of you.
